Vercel CPO, Tom Occhino, joins Jerod for a one-on-one covering React & Next’s past, present & future. We discuss the birth of React, Tom’s move to Vercel, deploying Next apps to non-Vercel hosts, React as the next jQuery, the viability of Web Components, Vercel customers getting surprise bills & so much more.
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Sponsors
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Notes & Links
Chapters
| Chapter Number | Chapter Start Time | Chapter Title | Chapter Duration |
| 1 | 00:00 | It's party time, y'all | 00:39 |
| 2 | 00:39 | Sponsor: Fly.io | 02:45 |
| 3 | 03:24 | Welcoming Tom Occhino 👀 | 01:24 |
| 4 | 04:48 | The birth of React | 04:46 |
| 5 | 09:34 | The initial reaction | 04:09 |
| 6 | 13:43 | Organic growth | 02:02 |
| 7 | 15:44 | The documentary | 01:16 |
| 8 | 17:01 | Sponsor: WorkOS | 03:21 |
| 9 | 20:22 | From FB to Vercel | 03:17 |
| 10 | 23:39 | Why Next.js | 03:55 |
| 11 | 27:34 | Deploying Next.js to not-Vercel | 02:05 |
| 12 | 29:39 | The DX vs UX thing | 03:54 |
| 13 | 33:33 | Is Next.js tied to React? | 02:53 |
| 14 | 36:26 | React as the next jQuery | 03:06 |
| 15 | 39:32 | The viability of Web Components | 02:18 |
| 16 | 41:50 | Sponsor: Notion | 02:23 |
| 17 | 44:13 | Svelte inside Vercel | 02:24 |
| 18 | 46:38 | What's new in Next.js | 08:35 |
| 19 | 55:12 | Denial of Wallet attacks | 02:56 |
| 20 | 58:08 | Always on top of AWS? | 02:27 |
| 21 | 1:00:35 | In-function concurrency | 01:06 |
| 22 | 1:01:42 | V0 (the AI chapter) | 07:38 |
| 23 | 1:09:20 | Closing time | 01:02 |
| 24 | 1:10:22 | Next up on the pod | 01:20 |
