Brian LeRoux has been building the web long enough to see many ways we produce HTML come in and go out of fashion. On this episode, he joins Amal & Nick to discuss the past, present, and potential future of rendering patterns on the web. SSR, ISR, & DSR (oh my!)

KBall interviews Brian Leroux in a wide-ranging discussion covering “Progressive Bundling” with native ES Modules, building infrastructure as code, and what the future of JamStack and serverless deployment might look like.