We talked with Miguel de Icaza last week at Microsoft Connect(); in New York City. Miguel gave us the backstory on how he’s been competing with Microsoft for most of his developer career, and he shares the history of GNOME, Mono, and Xamarin — and what led him to now work at Microsoft.

Adam and Jerod talk with the members of the .NET Core team at Microsoft about Microsoft’s motivation for open sourcing the base class libraries of .NET, open source vs source open, the true goal of open sourcing .NET Core, and this new Microsoft we’ve been seeing.